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elliott ross's avatar

wow, absolutely incredible work. i'll be thinking about this for a while

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Jordan Lovinger's avatar

Thank you Elliot. Feel free to reach out with thoughts. I’m glad this resonated with you.

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Withnail's avatar

If you think you can be happy during collapse then you haven't understood what a collapse will mean. Collapse means kill or be killed or starve to death or die from epidemic disease such as cholera.

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Jordan Lovinger's avatar

Collapse is now, and plenty of people are living now.

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Withnail's avatar

No it isn't. As i said, you don't know what collapse is.

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Sof's avatar

this has been an amazing read. As a young musician myself I’ve recently struggled to create things because I’m constantly thinking of how to capitalise on it or how to make it digestible for mass consumption but after reading this I now know why all of that feels wrong to me. I’ve always loved making music not to make some money just because. I think upon reading this I need to remaster the art of being creative just because it’s human nature. Thank you truly from the bottom of my heart.

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Martin's avatar

Humans tend to say a lot of ideas that do not match their inner cognitive turmoil - history, and modernity, too, is replete with specious tough-guyism.

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Martin's avatar

No comments? What is the matter with people?

Obviously, “ happy” is a fraught weasel word. Why that word so preoccupied those white slavers back then doesn’t matter. - it’s now that we live, and there is no recipe for baking a collapse pie during collapse that doesn’t end with a collapsed pie.

“Courageous indifference” to death? No, collapse is a genuine introduction to the unknowable process of death. It’s now right outside our door, wanting to come in, in so many collapse disguises. Music is not going to stop that. Nor is life advice. Nor is it the only guest.

So should we fall back on hackneyed phrases? About the human predicament. - what’s not to love about a thoroughly corrupted, amoral corporate-dominated social world? We’ve arrived. Why did anyone think we wouldn’t end up here?

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Jordan Lovinger's avatar

Well Martin, men have been able to overcome and be at peace with death for centuries, and I think we can look to them for lessons on how to deal with collapse.

I am very aware of our predicament. I’ve faced death many times, including resisting a carjacking at gun point and anticipating being shot and dying during the altercation. If you truly think it’s not possible to face death without despair, then I’d challenge you to expand your horizons. I know it’s possible, because I’ve done it repeatedly.

In some ways I think I chose to fight the gunmen because I wanted and was ready to die, and that seemed like a better way than cancer or hunger

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